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	<title>Comments on: EU court decision could cut price of PVRs</title>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://gonedigital.net/2011/04/18/eu-court-decision-could-cut-price-of-pvrs/comment-page-1/#comment-3626</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 11:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, thank you.

Nitpicking here, I know, but the devil&#039;s in the detail....

To make a margin of 30% the retailer must add 43% to the cost price.

43% is &#039;the mark-up&#039; and 30% is &#039;the margin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, thank you.</p>
<p>Nitpicking here, I know, but the devil&#8217;s in the detail&#8230;.</p>
<p>To make a margin of 30% the retailer must add 43% to the cost price.</p>
<p>43% is &#8216;the mark-up&#8217; and 30% is &#8216;the margin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel</title>
		<link>http://gonedigital.net/2011/04/18/eu-court-decision-could-cut-price-of-pvrs/comment-page-1/#comment-3625</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was perhaps a little unclear; communication isn&#039;t specifically a red herring - it is certainly (as confirmed to me by the folk at ADB) a method that is used to reduce duties, which is why their Easy HD 2851T box, which isn&#039;t a PVR, includes a modem. That modem&#039;s not used, but it&#039;s worthwhile for them to include it for the reduced duties it then attracts. So, that principle is established already, as a way to reduce duties, and works.

What has happened here is that the boundaries of definitions have been pushed a little in various directions, as far as I can make see. First, recording has been redefined to mean &#039;recording from an external source&#039; with a side order of &#039;and anyway they didn&#039;t buy it just because it could record.&#039;

That&#039;s perhaps not such a big push - camcorders were for a long time treated differently, and subject to a higher rate of duty, if they were able to record from an external source, which is why the cheaper ones didn&#039;t tend to have Firewire connections.

This is where, if you have the will to live, you need to go to the source, which is available via Europa, and see what the judgement says in case &lt;a href=&quot;http://curia.europa.eu/jurisp/cgi-bin/form.pl?lang=en&amp;jurcdj=jurcdj&amp;newform=newform&amp;docj=docj&amp;docop=docop&amp;docnoj=docnoj&amp;typeord=ALLTYP&amp;numaff=&amp;ddatefs=13&amp;mdatefs=4&amp;ydatefs=2011&amp;ddatefe=20&amp;mdatefe=4&amp;ydatefe=2011&amp;nomusuel=&amp;domaine=&amp;mots=&amp;resmax=100&amp;Submit=Rechercher&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;C289/09&lt;/a&gt;.

Reading through the rather dense prose, certain things are clear.

1. There are two customs categories involved. 8251 90 00 is the one in which the Sky Plus box found itself, with 13.9% duty. Category 8528 71 13 is for 

&lt;blockquote&gt;set-top boxes which have a communication function: a microprocessor-based device incorporating a modem for gaining access to the internet, and having a function of interactive information exchange&lt;/blockquote&gt;

which is to comply with a global tariff agreement.

So, the box could, potentially, be in either, but has been in the first category. The rules for classification are set down, and include the note

&lt;blockquote&gt;Unless the context otherwise requires, composite machines consisting of two or more machines fitted together to form a whole and other machines adapted for the purpose of performing two or more complementary or alternative functions are to be classified as if consisting only of that component or as being that machine which performs the principal function&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Much of the argument detailed in the ruling is essentially down to Sky pointing out that the main job of the box is receiving their service; the hard disk is ancillary, partly because it can&#039;t be used as a recorder in the accepted sense, but also because even when you&#039;re playing something back, you&#039;re reliant upon the Sky broadcasts - it won&#039;t work if it&#039;s not connected to a dish.

There&#039;s a discussion of which is the real principal function, followed by the conclusion that (the CN is the list of categories):

&lt;blockquote&gt;It follows from all those considerations that the CN must be interpreted as meaning that set-top boxes with a communication function and a hard disk drive, such as the Sky+ box, are to be classified under subheading 8528 71 13 despite the Explanatory Notes to the CN.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, the presence of communications functionality is certainly key to this - and it hasn&#039;t been redefined to mean simple satellite reception. But whether or not ethernet will be considered a modem for the purposes of the regulations isn&#039;t something that was discussed in the ruling, and of course plenty of PVRs don&#039;t have a modem anyway.

Perhaps the only people who&#039;ll really benefit right away will be Sky (and they&#039;ve been working on this for years).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was perhaps a little unclear; communication isn&#8217;t specifically a red herring &#8211; it is certainly (as confirmed to me by the folk at ADB) a method that is used to reduce duties, which is why their Easy HD 2851T box, which isn&#8217;t a PVR, includes a modem. That modem&#8217;s not used, but it&#8217;s worthwhile for them to include it for the reduced duties it then attracts. So, that principle is established already, as a way to reduce duties, and works.</p>
<p>What has happened here is that the boundaries of definitions have been pushed a little in various directions, as far as I can make see. First, recording has been redefined to mean &#8216;recording from an external source&#8217; with a side order of &#8216;and anyway they didn&#8217;t buy it just because it could record.&#8217;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s perhaps not such a big push &#8211; camcorders were for a long time treated differently, and subject to a higher rate of duty, if they were able to record from an external source, which is why the cheaper ones didn&#8217;t tend to have Firewire connections.</p>
<p>This is where, if you have the will to live, you need to go to the source, which is available via Europa, and see what the judgement says in case <a href="http://curia.europa.eu/jurisp/cgi-bin/form.pl?lang=en&amp;jurcdj=jurcdj&amp;newform=newform&amp;docj=docj&amp;docop=docop&amp;docnoj=docnoj&amp;typeord=ALLTYP&amp;numaff=&amp;ddatefs=13&amp;mdatefs=4&amp;ydatefs=2011&amp;ddatefe=20&amp;mdatefe=4&amp;ydatefe=2011&amp;nomusuel=&amp;domaine=&amp;mots=&amp;resmax=100&amp;Submit=Rechercher" rel="nofollow">C289/09</a>.</p>
<p>Reading through the rather dense prose, certain things are clear.</p>
<p>1. There are two customs categories involved. 8251 90 00 is the one in which the Sky Plus box found itself, with 13.9% duty. Category 8528 71 13 is for </p>
<blockquote><p>set-top boxes which have a communication function: a microprocessor-based device incorporating a modem for gaining access to the internet, and having a function of interactive information exchange</p></blockquote>
<p>which is to comply with a global tariff agreement.</p>
<p>So, the box could, potentially, be in either, but has been in the first category. The rules for classification are set down, and include the note</p>
<blockquote><p>Unless the context otherwise requires, composite machines consisting of two or more machines fitted together to form a whole and other machines adapted for the purpose of performing two or more complementary or alternative functions are to be classified as if consisting only of that component or as being that machine which performs the principal function</p></blockquote>
<p>Much of the argument detailed in the ruling is essentially down to Sky pointing out that the main job of the box is receiving their service; the hard disk is ancillary, partly because it can&#8217;t be used as a recorder in the accepted sense, but also because even when you&#8217;re playing something back, you&#8217;re reliant upon the Sky broadcasts &#8211; it won&#8217;t work if it&#8217;s not connected to a dish.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a discussion of which is the real principal function, followed by the conclusion that (the CN is the list of categories):</p>
<blockquote><p>It follows from all those considerations that the CN must be interpreted as meaning that set-top boxes with a communication function and a hard disk drive, such as the Sky+ box, are to be classified under subheading 8528 71 13 despite the Explanatory Notes to the CN.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, the presence of communications functionality is certainly key to this &#8211; and it hasn&#8217;t been redefined to mean simple satellite reception. But whether or not ethernet will be considered a modem for the purposes of the regulations isn&#8217;t something that was discussed in the ruling, and of course plenty of PVRs don&#8217;t have a modem anyway.</p>
<p>Perhaps the only people who&#8217;ll really benefit right away will be Sky (and they&#8217;ve been working on this for years).</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Lane</title>
		<link>http://gonedigital.net/2011/04/18/eu-court-decision-could-cut-price-of-pvrs/comment-page-1/#comment-3620</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your explanation is slightly wrong. According to Broadband TV News, the court&#039;s decision isn&#039;t based on the presence of a modem, it&#039;s because recording is an additional function to a decoder, not the purpose of the device. &#039;Communication&#039; is a bit of a red herring term here, meaning the decoding of a broadcast signal. 

Also, in BTVN&#039;s coverage, PVRs are defined as being unable to record to or from external removable media like a disc or tape. So the ruling would apply to any HDD-only PVR, but not to HDD/DVD/Blu-ray combis like Panasonic&#039;s. And what does it mean for USB storage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your explanation is slightly wrong. According to Broadband TV News, the court&#8217;s decision isn&#8217;t based on the presence of a modem, it&#8217;s because recording is an additional function to a decoder, not the purpose of the device. &#8216;Communication&#8217; is a bit of a red herring term here, meaning the decoding of a broadcast signal. </p>
<p>Also, in BTVN&#8217;s coverage, PVRs are defined as being unable to record to or from external removable media like a disc or tape. So the ruling would apply to any HDD-only PVR, but not to HDD/DVD/Blu-ray combis like Panasonic&#8217;s. And what does it mean for USB storage?</p>
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